has tipped crusaders to beat us in a fortnights time.

i think it will be a tough game but i can`t see them beating us, we just need to get a quick start against them and get some points on the board quickly then their heads will go down.

So if someone tips against hkr their a muppet?

I disagree. Crusaders will play like they did tonight. Unless we put in 110% they will destroy us! They wanted to secure 8th place tonight. Short kick offs, kicks on the 3rd, offloading all the time. It took a ridiculous call to kill off their chances, and we won't have that luck on our side against them.

Correct!

Clarke is a first class tool, we all know that.

On the whole though, let's be serious we should stick a good win on Crusaders because they wern't that convincing, however the scoreline tonight could have been so much different if it wasn't for that embarrassing Roby try.

Lose tomorrow though, and it might aswell be a dead rubber in a fortnight.

If we lose tomorrow we will definitely finish 7th. I'd chuck the game against Crusaders, just to get em into 8th after that awful call.

I disagree...there defence was decent and the are potent in offence, a very unpredictable capable team...I would say they looked the better side in the 1st half.

crusaders was already 2 scores down before that iffy call by smith,
we will have a better understanding of possibilities after tomorrows games .
if cas win tom then they go level with cru on points but then cas have to go to saints and win in their last game whilst cru would have to win and hope for results elsewhere, cru certainly couldn`t have tied 8th down today .
even had cru won today then they would of only been 4pts clear of cas with them still yet to play.
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and i still think that if we can get some quick early scores against cru in that last game then their heads will go down,
but i certainly don`t think they will detsroy us. tough game maybe, but destroy ..no

That is the thing Crusaders heads do not go down, they are dangerous right upto the 80mins...I agree there will be no destroying by either side, but it will be a very tough close game imo.They have home advantage and will be desperate for a chance to get in the play-offs they will throw everything at the game, biggest game ever for them to date!

If we do get quick tries I do think we will win, I just think they will come out all guns blazing. To write Crusaders off is complete lunacy, especially when they have everything to play for.

Both Crusaders and Saints were unconvincing, Crus made some really dumb plays at times, they were good for the first 35minutes aye but failed to capitalise on St's 'flatness' shall we say.

If we want to anything in the play-offs, a victory against Crusaders should be a formality.

If we lose tomorrow and Hudds win, we'll have effectively finished 7th with a game to go as Hudds' pts diff is so much better and nobody can catch us from behind. If they're scrapping for 8th and we know we're 7th no matter what... well they'll have more motivation.