QuoteGraftonRedGood Post by James Webb on another forum...'"
lets see how good.
QuoteGraftonRedMy brother went to London, with his girlfriend at the time, in the late 1980s for the Poll Tax protests. Everything was calm until Maggie Thatcher's thug police started causing trouble. The west end of London became a battle zone, as mounted police charged peaceful groups of protesters. My brother feared for his life that day, as Maggie tried to stamp out legitimate protests. She was good at that.'"
aah, yes, all the protestors were sitting around making daisy chains no doubt. the obligatory "feared for his life" is up there with "he's now too scared to leave the house" amongst the usual cries to show just how absolutely awful things were, well right up to the point that they forgot about fearing for their lives and started the looting. i'll make guess as to what really happened, and i wasn't even there, 2 groups of people came together on a particular day and at the start it was all pretty jovial, everyone kind of knew the "rules", but, as the day wore on, people got cranky as they got more hungry, thirsty and tired and so, as always happens in these situations the slightest perceived slight becomes a "thing". whether it was a copper who'd heard the same thing shouted in his earhole once to often or it was a protestor who'd been told to sod off once to often, that was the spark. and so, we have the sight of police on horses charging and the police car being attacked. and then we have the blame game which will carry on in perpetuity as one side always claims to be in the right.
QuoteGraftonRedGo back five years from the Poll Tax protests & Maggie Thatcher had again unleashed her thug police, that time on striking miners. Thatcher was determined to stamp out the unions, making an example of the miners to make other unions cower. It was virtual civil war in all but name. Police were drafted in from all over the country to fight the miners.'"
i suppose my only question is why were the police there at all? you had those choosing not to work sitting around making daisy chains and those choosing to work, working. why exactly were the police there?
QuoteGraftonRedThe rich got richer & the less fortunate were treated with contempt, stamped down into the ground. Millions became unemployed, while yuppies made 'loadsa money', flaunting their wealth vulgarly. People greedily grabbed shares in sold off national assets. Those shares ended up in the hands of the rich eventually, which is what Thatcher had planned all along. It was a big Tory con.'"
oh certainly the gap between the rich and poor grew wider, but that's because the rich know how to make more money, because y'know, they're rich. sorry, this is another one of those pesky sites that doesn't tell you how she ruined the world and ate babies. [urlhttp://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths/13236[/url.
the great british fire sale, tell sid everyone, people did indeed grab the shares, they finally had a piece of this thing that they supposedly already owned but just seemed to keep paying for. and of course there was the unemployment, at the end of her term she had an extra half a million on the "dole", luckily that sort of thing doesn't happen now.
QuoteGraftonRedPeople bought their council houses, thinking they would pass them on to their children.'"
bless, no, people bought their council houses because they were cheap as chips, and the nation was brimming with capitalist swine who couldn't wait to try and make a fast buck.
QuoteGraftonRedBut this mass, undervalued housing sale robbed future generations of social housing.'"
not really, as apparently it's perfectly ok to pass on a council house to a son/daughter as long as certain criteria are met so a house could be kept in a family eternally. we don't need governments to build houses, we need them to set rent controls. builders will build the houses.
QuoteGraftonRedCouncil house buyers didn't realise this was another dirty Thatcher trick, because in later life those house owners would be forced to sell their homes to pay care home bills. Disgusting Tory exploitation.'"
QuoteGraftonRedLocal authorities have been able to require people to sell their homes to pay for residential care since 1948'"
so, people knew about it.
QuoteGraftonRedThatcher deliberately covered up police failings following the deaths of 96 at Hillsborough in 1989. Thatcher was hardly going to betray her faithful attack dogs. So the 96 were smeared & their families were mocked by the establishment for decades as they fought bravely to uncover the truth.'"
sorry, but this is bollox of the highest order. recent events show it. and the fact that in 13 years of a labour government, who would have loved it to be true, didn't make these findings. the fault lies squarely at the feet of the police.
QuoteGraftonRedFor those of us who lived through all this & more during Thatcher's despairing period as PM, who were forced to sign on because we were unable to find work for years as thousands of businesses folded & industry collapsed, there remained only bitter hatred for Maggie Thatcher.'"
'"
industry never collapsed.
so, not really a "good" piece then.
QuoteGraftonRed="GraftonRed"
QuoteGraftonRedGood Post by James Webb on another forum...'"
lets see how good.
QuoteGraftonRedMy brother went to London, with his girlfriend at the time, in the late 1980s for the Poll Tax protests. Everything was calm until Maggie Thatcher's thug police started causing trouble. The west end of London became a battle zone, as mounted police charged peaceful groups of protesters. My brother feared for his life that day, as Maggie tried to stamp out legitimate protests. She was good at that.'"
aah, yes, all the protestors were sitting around making daisy chains no doubt. the obligatory "feared for his life" is up there with "he's now too scared to leave the house" amongst the usual cries to show just how absolutely awful things were, well right up to the point that they forgot about fearing for their lives and started the looting. i'll make guess as to what really happened, and i wasn't even there, 2 groups of people came together on a particular day and at the start it was all pretty jovial, everyone kind of knew the "rules", but, as the day wore on, people got cranky as they got more hungry, thirsty and tired and so, as always happens in these situations the slightest perceived slight becomes a "thing". whether it was a copper who'd heard the same thing shouted in his earhole once to often or it was a protestor who'd been told to sod off once to often, that was the spark. and so, we have the sight of police on horses charging and the police car being attacked. and then we have the blame game which will carry on in perpetuity as one side always claims to be in the right.
QuoteGraftonRedGo back five years from the Poll Tax protests & Maggie Thatcher had again unleashed her thug police, that time on striking miners. Thatcher was determined to stamp out the unions, making an example of the miners to make other unions cower. It was virtual civil war in all but name. Police were drafted in from all over the country to fight the miners.'"
i suppose my only question is why were the police there at all? you had those choosing not to work sitting around making daisy chains and those choosing to work, working. why exactly were the police there?
QuoteGraftonRedThe rich got richer & the less fortunate were treated with contempt, stamped down into the ground. Millions became unemployed, while yuppies made 'loadsa money', flaunting their wealth vulgarly. People greedily grabbed shares in sold off national assets. Those shares ended up in the hands of the rich eventually, which is what Thatcher had planned all along. It was a big Tory con.'"
oh certainly the gap between the rich and poor grew wider, but that's because the rich know how to make more money, because y'know, they're rich. sorry, this is another one of those pesky sites that doesn't tell you how she ruined the world and ate babies. [urlhttp://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths/13236[/url.
the great british fire sale, tell sid everyone, people did indeed grab the shares, they finally had a piece of this thing that they supposedly already owned but just seemed to keep paying for. and of course there was the unemployment, at the end of her term she had an extra half a million on the "dole", luckily that sort of thing doesn't happen now.
QuoteGraftonRedPeople bought their council houses, thinking they would pass them on to their children.'"
bless, no, people bought their council houses because they were cheap as chips, and the nation was brimming with capitalist swine who couldn't wait to try and make a fast buck.
QuoteGraftonRedBut this mass, undervalued housing sale robbed future generations of social housing.'"
not really, as apparently it's perfectly ok to pass on a council house to a son/daughter as long as certain criteria are met so a house could be kept in a family eternally. we don't need governments to build houses, we need them to set rent controls. builders will build the houses.
QuoteGraftonRedCouncil house buyers didn't realise this was another dirty Thatcher trick, because in later life those house owners would be forced to sell their homes to pay care home bills. Disgusting Tory exploitation.'"
QuoteGraftonRedLocal authorities have been able to require people to sell their homes to pay for residential care since 1948'"
so, people knew about it.
QuoteGraftonRedThatcher deliberately covered up police failings following the deaths of 96 at Hillsborough in 1989. Thatcher was hardly going to betray her faithful attack dogs. So the 96 were smeared & their families were mocked by the establishment for decades as they fought bravely to uncover the truth.'"
sorry, but this is bollox of the highest order. recent events show it. and the fact that in 13 years of a labour government, who would have loved it to be true, didn't make these findings. the fault lies squarely at the feet of the police.
QuoteGraftonRedFor those of us who lived through all this & more during Thatcher's despairing period as PM, who were forced to sign on because we were unable to find work for years as thousands of businesses folded & industry collapsed, there remained only bitter hatred for Maggie Thatcher.'"
QuoteJerryChicken="JerryChicken"[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310304/Margaret-Thatcher-funeral-Family-says-private-goodbye-stunning-send-off.htmlThe Mail begs to differ, with photographic evidence.[/url'"
I apologise, I did check to see what had happened after the funeral, but didn't see anything that said she had been cremated.
QuoteBig Graeme="Big Graeme"Take your pick, there is an FT report in there somewhere, I do hope they are not too left wing for you to consider it relevant.
Also, since going back into State ownership, the target of refranchising at some point has meant little or no investment in East Coast, and, as franchisees tend to invest in the early days of their franchise and not towards the end because they don't know if their franchise will be renewed, the last investment was way before going back into state ownership.
QuoteBig Graeme="Big Graeme"Take your pick, there is an FT report in there somewhere, I do hope they are not too left wing for you to consider it relevant.
Also, since going back into State ownership, the target of refranchising at some point has meant little or no investment in East Coast, and, as franchisees tend to invest in the early days of their franchise and not towards the end because they don't know if their franchise will be renewed, the last investment was way before going back into state ownership.
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